Монеты России и СССР

Можно посмотреть на источник? Интересно. Не слышал про такое, но все может быть.

[Вот про всем известные "дополнительные листочки" на квотере Вискансина - это доказанный факт саботажа (работник "доработал" в одно лицо два штемпеля). Но все равно, ценятся они очень и очень]

http://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/415687/
Вот этот. Дорогой Джон.

Советские перепутки 20-3 коп. можно считать мулами?

Хороший вопрос, правильный!
Я считаю, что нельзя. Мне кажется, что "мул" - монета, две стороны которой отштамповали штемпелями разных монет (например, "Багамский", либо квотер/доллар, либо никель/пенни), а не штемпелями "разных годов". Но это только мое ИМХО

Мне об этом рассказал один почтенный новозеландский нумизмат русского происхождения. А, что касается информации о тираже и некоторых других приведённых мною выше фактах, то я почерпнул её из пары нумизматических англоязычных сайтов.

на американских форумах обсуждался именно данный мул после выхода фильма,
у всех практически были ироничные улыбки к авторам фильма.

дополню тему так как тут многие спрашивали НЕ про американские мулы второй половины 20 века.
Обычная страна Ирландия, обычный номинал до децимации в четверть кроны, но при чеканке 1961 года случайно попался штемпель от монеты данного типа 28-37 годов, что в итоге в подняло цену данной перепутки в 30-50 раз по сравнению с обычной.

Индия, 50 пайс 1984 года "Индира Ганди", для сравнения оригиналы монеты обычных и мул.
Различие штемпелей 2 разных монет по точке в круге на гербе Индии,
но недавно был найден и новый мул уже с точностью наоборот, 50 пайс 1986 "рыбак" использующий штемпель аверса Индиры.

Вот он красавчик, жетончик специально изготовленный по заказу для сьемок фильма .

ну и на закуску мул пенни Великобритании 1989 года на кружке 20 центов Гонконга.

много + поставили незаслуженно по данной теме
но раз поставили так продолжу по монетам мира, так как мулы, это на мой взгляд нечто ирреальное (браки, при нынешних технологиях) но часто встречаемое явление которое переводит обычную монету в разряд ценностей для коллекторов (вспомним двойные удары на монетах России при Елизавете и Екатерине 2, как предпосылку, ну а для монет стран мира этим примером служат монеты США которые подняли данную планку на недосягаемую высоту при всём этом идиотизме по ценам).
На этот раз обычные частые 30 рублевые 20 пенсов Великобритании (на картинке отмечу перевод обычки в мула) НО, в данном случем наши 30 рублей стоят уже 50 фунтов стерлингов островного государства, НО.

а вот теперь почитаем паранойю международных служб СМИ (извините меня, я ржал, сорри).

Mail Online
"Coin experts say the lack of a date makes them worth £50 each, and potentially much more in future."
We don't think the LMO employ any coin experts, only Marketing and Media Manipulation Experts. (And good they are, too!)
"There is an unwritten convention that designs should be changed at least every 40 years to keep the coinage fresh."
Is this an oxymoron? (unwritten convention)
"No one knows how much the undated 20p is worth. However, The London Mint Office, which is a private company with no connection to the Royal Mint, is offering £50 a time to anyone who has one."
Terms and conditions apply, such as registering on their website, only one registration per household, and possibly only one coin per person.
"Nick Hart, coin expert at the London Mint Office, said: 'Mistakes like this not only fascinate people but also have considerable value-increase significance."
Did the Mail; check his credentials as a coin expert, and could he explain "considerable value-increase significance" in English, please.
"We believe this extremely rare error will certainly get the public looking at the coins in their pockets again and noticing the excellent new designs launched by the Royal Mint on our coinage.'"
As we have stated above, the error itself is uncommon, but the mules coins themselves cannot be considered rare with possibly 200,000 in existence.
"Full details of how to register are available online at www.undated20p.com.
The Mail Online suckered into giving away free advertising!
BBC
"A batch of 20p coins accidentally issued with no date on them could be worth £50 each, say coin collectors."
Not coin collectors, but coin dealers, or rather coin marketing experts.
"But with experts saying the coins could be worth up to £50 each, anyone finding an undated 20p may be reluctant to put it towards a loaf of bread."
What experts?
"Nick Hart, of specialist coin collector company The London Mint Office, said: "Last year the Royal Mint changed all the designs of our circulating coinage, which is a tradition every 40 years or so."
A repeat of the same error above, LMO are not a "coin collector company", they are a coin marketing company.
"And when they did this they struck a new design on one side of the coin and the old design on the reverse of the coin and that's led to one of the sides being undated - which makes them incredibly valuable."
We would not call £50 each incredibly valuable
CBBC
"A recently released batch of 20p coins have a fault on them which could make them worth £50 each."
Actually about 6 months ago.
" A coin company is offering the first 10,000 people to contact them with a faulty coin £50."
No it isn't. Only the first 10,000 people can register, and most of those will not have found one of the mules.
"However, a batch of coins was made using the mould with the old heads side and the new tails side, meaning neither has a date."
Coins are not cast in moulds they are struck with dies, and have been in most countries for over 2,000 years.
We know CBBC is aimed at kids, but why misinform them?

Moneywise
The London Mint Office says the fact that this is the first time in more than 300 years that undated coins have entered circulation is "testimony to the excellence of The Royal Mint". It adds: "Its stringent quality control procedures mean that error striking such as the undated 20p are exceptionally rare indeed."
Actually they are wrong again. The Victorian shield reverse sovereign series issued 1838 to 1887 are riddled with errors and flaws and varieties.
ThisIsMoney
Coin experts say the lack of a date makes them worth £50 each, and potentially much more in future.
We hope they are not referring to The London Mint Office!
No one knows how much the undated 20p is worth. However, The London Mint Office, which is a private company with no connection to the Royal Mint, is offering £50 a time to anyone who has one.
We think most British coin dealers could value one of the mules. Prices will probably now be volatile for a few months after all the recent publicity, but will probably settle down lower than before the LMO coup.
MyFinances
Nick Hart, coin expert at London Mint Office, said: "Mistakes like this not only fascinate people but also have considerable value-increase significance.
Have they checked Mr Hart credentials as a coin expert, or have they simply made an assumption?
The London Mint Office, a distributor of collector coins, has established a website - www.undated20p.com - to buy 10,000 of the coins, paying £50 each.
Wrong again, the websites is open to registrations for marketing purposes, with a limit of 10,000 registrants. It is unlikely that most of these will have or sell one of the mules. If the purpose of the publicity campaign were simply to buy 10,000 mules, why create restrictions and pre-conditions?
UTV - (Apparently in Conjunction with The Guardian)
(This one wins our prize for the most badly researched and error riddled article we have yet seen on the subject.) The 20p coin that's worth a mint.
£50 is hardly a mint. Still why spoil a good headline for the sake of accuracy?
Specialist collector offers £50 to the first 10,000 people who register one of the rogue coins.
If they mean LMO, the company is a coin marketing company (dealer), not a collector.
Now specialist coin collectors' company the London Mint Office is offering £50 to the first 10,000 people who find and register to sell one of these rogue 20p coins at its website.
No! The 10,000 limit is the number of registrations, and many of these will not have a mule 20p to sell.
"We are willing to pay £50 each for them now because we've got collectors lined up who want to buy them and we'll also keep some ourselves as an investment, believing that the value will go up."
Really? If so, these collectors could have bought one for under £25 last week on a well-known internet auction site. Best to wait until tens of thousands turn up, and buy one for a tenner.
"There's no catch at all in our offer," Hart said. "We believe the value of these coins will go up – you could be looking at an auction value of several hundred pounds in 20 years, depending on how many are tracked down.
If he honestly believes this, then he is an idiot. As he is probably being paid a Banker's salary, then he is probably not an idiot. From our experience whenever there are similar publicity driven stampedes, prices shoot up for a few weeks, then continue to drift downwards for the next 20 years. Of course Mr Hart is being clever enough to cover his backside by allowing himself 20 years before he can be proved wrong.
"We are willing to pay £50 each for them now because we've got collectors lined up who want to buy them and we'll also keep some ourselves as an investment, believing that the value will go up."
This last statement beggars belief, perhaps Mr Hart is self-delusional?
"Once we receive your coin and verify its authenticity we will send you a cheque for £50 within 28 days," Hart said.
Why 28 days? Most established, reputable coin dealers would pay you by return post!
SkyNews
Thousands of Brits with a new 20p in their pockets could find themselves £50 richer after a mix-up at the Royal Mint.
£49.80 richer, less cost of postage, packing, and possibly cost of calling a premium rate number!
Around 200,000 of the coins have rocketed in value after the manufacturer admitted it had forgotten to put a date on them.
By "the manufacturer" we presume they mean The Royal Mint. They did not forget to put a date on them, they used mismatched (muled) dies)
They are worth £50 if immediately returned, but are set to rise even further in value because of their rarity.
According to who?
Workers at the mint have been left with their tails between their legs after leaving the date stamp off the heads side of the coins.
This statement shows a total lack of understanding of the minting or coin production process. It is wrong and careless for a journalist to misinform his readers in this manner.
AFP
There are believed to be between 50,000 and 200,000 of the coins now in circulation, all of them missing the 2009 stamp which was supposed to appear on the back -- or 'heads' side -- of the coin.
No!, No!, No! The Queen's head goes on the frontside (obverse) of a coin, not on the backside! (reverse). If you had made this mistake in the days of Henry VIII, he would quite rightly have had your head re-arranged onto your backside, then you could have talked out of both at the same time.
The old 20p coin had the date on the front of the coin, but the updated version was supposed to shift the date to the other side. But the coins were minted using an old version of the Queen's head -- one which which does not carry the year.
Wrong yet again! The old 20p had the date on the back (reverse or tail side), the new one has the date on the front (obverse or head side). Journalists should check their facts. You could look on Google or speak to any (proper) coin dealer.
Metro (Associated Newspapers)
About 200,000 of the coins have instantly jumped in value after the Royal Mint announced it had made a rare mistake and forgot to put a date on them.
Between 50,000 and 200,000 according to most sources. The Royal Mint did not "forget" to put a date on them.
They are worth £50 if returned to the mint now but – because of their rarity – could rapidly rise in value in the coming years.
No, you will not get £50 by returning them to the mint. It is it so-called London Mint Office, a private company which is not a mint, who are offering to buy them (but you do have to pre-register with them first, they will send you promotional material, only the first 10,000 people can register, eventually they will presumably tell you how and where to send your coin (singular), then they will pay you in 28 days if you are lucky.
It has now announced a recall, partly to remove the coins from circulation and also to keep track of them.
We do not believe this is correct. According to other reports, the Royal Mint are happy that the coins are legal tender. The journalist here seems to have invented or imagined this, we wonder what he was smoking when he wrote the article?
If you have one and want £50, simply register at www.undated20p.com and send it back.
You have to wait for instructions, wait for LMO to authenticate it, then wait 28 days for your money, not simply register then send it, in any case you would not be sending it back, as LMO is not the same as the Royal Mint. Do we presume the journo has fallen into the trap of believing the deceptively named London Mint Office has any connection with the Royal Mint?
If you have one, and want to keep it – experts reckon the coins could be worth £200 in ten years – you can just register and the mint will send you a presentation box.
What experts? And why in the plural? This is not supposed to refer to The LMO is it? The Mint will not send you a presentation box, perhaps the so-called London Mint Office will, but they are not the mint.
Daily Express (The World's Greatest Newspaper according to its byline)
Now a firm of collectors is offering £50 for each one. Nick Hart, of coin specialists The London Mint Office, estimates that about one in every hundred 20p pieces is undated.
Not a firm of collectors (unless you mean mailing address collectors), and certainly not coin collectors. London Mint Office is a coin marketing company, which is closer to a coin dealer than a coin collector.
Nick Hart clearly cannot do simply arithmetic. Even if the Royal Mint's highest estimate is correct, and 200,000 mules were released, according to the Royal Mint's website 2,315,000,000 (2.3 billion) twenty pences are in circulation, 200,000/2,315,000,000 = 1 in 11,575100; making Nick wrong by a factor of over 155 or by a percentage of 15,500.
Webuser
The www.undated20p.com website will help you identify the coins, which should have had the year 2008 printed on the side with the Queen's head.
Coins are minted, not printed. Books, newspapers, and magazines are printed.
You are under no obligation to sell the coin should you find one, but if you do want to sell it back to the London Mint Office you'll have to register on the site first.
It would only be possible to sell it back to the London Mint Office if they had previously owned it. Perhaps the hack writing this was fooled into the common error of thinking that the London Mint Office was a mint, or connected with the Royal Mint. Could this be because of their (LMO's) confusing name?
The London Mint Office is a coin collector not connected with Royal Mint.
No, The London Mint Office is a not coin collector, it is possibly a coin dealing company, and definitely a coin marketing company, but a coin collector is an old man in a Mac.
Numismaster - Kerry Rodgers, World Coin News
12th Aug 2009
"The (London Mint) Office began buying up every mule they could get their hands on, advertising big time and paying £50 ($85) a coin.
No, they did not. They issued a press release stating they would buy them at £50 each, but this was conditional on pre-registering on their website, and limited to the first 10,000 registrants. That is not the same thing as buying up every mule they could get their hands on, quite the opposite in reality. It would be more accurate to state they were trying to avoid getting their hands on too many.
"It was brilliant marketing".
Yes, agreed!
"Mussell told WCN that, "while dozens of rumors and urban myths are flying around," the coins seem to be "quite scarce," and, "despite the extensive media coverage very few people have admitted to having one.""
I had quite a long conversation with John, and I could not convince him that the higher mintage estimates were more likely to be right. The week the crap broke, eBay had about 4,500 listings purportedly offering undated 20p's. Allowing for the usual percentage of hype, economy with the truth, misleading titles and descriptions, outright fraud (say 90%), that would leave about 450 genuine mule error listings on eBay on one single week.
At this moment there appear to be "only" 122 on eBay, but even this number would make 60,000 per annum being bought and sold. We believe the Mint's estimate of 50,000 to 200,000 is probably quite close.
Caveat emptor is indeed correct. We monitor eBay mainly for copyright abuse of our coin images. One of our image thieves had a recent negative because the buyer paid £140 for a twenty pence which was undated on the head side, and had not read the description through.

мде, цена данной на c 2009 c 50 фунтов скакала полтора года c 260 до 400 и опять скатилась до банальных 50 фунтов стерлингов в наши дни, но ЭТО гораздо выше чем банальные 30 RUB за данную монету.

всем известный мул динара Македонии 2000 года.
реверс взят от юбилейки данного года.

p/s: забыл отписаться по цене, поправлю сообщение, так как частый вид то цена не превышает 250-300 RUB.

Да, наверное, самый встречающийся мул, который совсем нетрудно найти

как же так я мог забыть про ещё один редкий и именно по тематике на которой сидел, да сейчас и Максим (Макс67) мог бы подсказать, так как его тематика.
5 пфеннигов 1917 Штутгарта, ввиду оплошности (сами понимаете какое было время для конца 2 рейха да и по всей планете) аверс польского орла для оккупированных територий.

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Зачем так кричать, да почти в каждой теме? Да по два раза в каждой?

извиняюсь за повышение голоса а повторение это у меня чтото инет "выдает" последнее время